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3rd Generation FAQ: Suspension, Tires, Brakes

How can I tell if I have a bad idler arm?
How easy it to change my front struts?
What are the factory front end alignment specs?
What are some suggested front end alignment specs?
What are the offsets for the front and rear 16 inch wheels?
Will 4th generation wheels fit on my 3rd generation car?
Why does my power steering pump tend to whine/hiss?
Do my rear disc brakes need to be adjusted?

 
 
How can I tell if I have a bad idler arm?

Take off the idler arm and it you can spin it around with ease, then it's probably bad. It also might have slop in the vertical axis where the two arms are connected, so there will be "give" when pressing the two arms in toward each other. It's recommended you replace it with a beefier arm like a Moog or DANA unit that's lubable. You might also want to check the ball joints for wear too.

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How easy it to change my front struts?

Use two jack-stands under the front-frame rails, a hydraulic jack under the "bulb" in the control-arm and a third jack-stand under the "spindle extension" of the rotor. It's not necessary to remove the calipers and/or rotors. The upper strut-mounts might need to be forcibly loosened and then removed. If the old struts are worn out enough, they should just compress by themselves. The new struts should be able to be compressed by hand and then positioned in place as fast as possible, before they extend.

For the strut-to-knuckle bolts to loosen, use a pipe extension to the fixed driver of the socket-set. To tighten these bolts, first torque them to 170 Nm and then give them an additional turn of 120 degrees. For the latter, use the pipe-extension again.

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What are the factory front end alignment specs?

With the stock Good Year 215/65R/15s, the settings were:

 
     Caster      +3 degrees  +/- .5 degree
     Camber      +1 degree   +/- .5 degree
     Toe in     .15 degree   +/- .5 degree 
 

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What are some suggested front end alignment specs?

A table in the Camaro & Firebird Performance Handbook for 3rd Generation cars lists the following recommendations:

                   Caster           Camber      Toe Total
                    (deg)            (deg)        (in)
                  L    R         L       R
Street           +4   +4.5      -.5     -.5       3/32
Hard Street Use  +5   +5.5      -1      -1        3/32
Drag Racing      +4   +4         0       0        1/32
Road racing      +6   +6        -1.75   -1.75     Short Course 1/8 out
                                                  Long Course  1/16 in
 

The figures are credited to Global West Suspension Components and are taken with driver weight included.

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What are the offsets for the front and rear 16 inch wheels?

0 mm on the front and 16 mm (negative - outward) on the rear.

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Will 4th generation wheels fit on my 3rd generation car?

Yes, but you'll need to use 2.5" spacer hubs which you can get from Vette Brakes in Tampa, FL.

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Why does my power steering pump tend to whine/hiss?

The 2nd & 3rd generation F car uses a submerged P pump. It is a rather large PS pump that has a housing full of PS fluid which surrounds the pump (hence the term "submerged"). The P pump weighs in at eleven pounds, and is a very reliable unit capable of providing enough hydraulic assist for everything from a Chevette to a 1 ton delivery van. Because the P pump is submerged, it also tends to be quieter than the other models as the oil damps many of the vibrations. In addition, the P pump has been manufactured since the late sixties, and Plant 3 in Saginaw, MI really has their quality control dialed in on that assembly line.

The 4th gen F car uses a CB pump. It is not submerged, and has a reservoir. It is physically smaller than a P pump, weighing in at about six pounds. It is more suited to passenger cars, as it does not have the obvious excess capacity of a P pump. The CB pump has many similarities to the P pump in that it uses a bushing on the driveshaft, as well as a common flow control valve. All in all, it is quite a reliable unit, aas long as it is manufactured in spec.

A TC pump is dimensionally similar to a CB pump, and can in fact be substituted for a CB pump. The TC is more expensive, and uses a sealed bearing on its driveshaft. Some critics of the TC claim the sealed bearing is noisier than the CB pump because of this. You will find TC pumps on many other GM products, as well as a whole bunch of Chryslers, Audi's, VW's, Saab's, and other European manufactured vehicles. I personally like the TC pump. It was kind of like a hot rod, and we'd sometimes spin them up to 9,000 RPM for 100 hours, at 300 degrees F and they'd look fine afterwards. Some say the TC was 'overbuilt', and GM was trying to phase them out, except the customer kept buying them! The TC pump is the lightest of the PS pumps, at just over five pounds. There exist some aluminum pumps from the late 80's Corvettes that weight only four pounds that will bolt into a 4th gen. F car. There is also a new pump called 'direct drive' that runs directly off the cam, but I'll not go into that because I don't know much about it.

Now, the whine you hear when you rev your pump is one of three things. The first is the whine caused by pressure relief. It sounds kind of like a 'Shhhhhhhhh!' If you turn your wheel until it wont turn anymore, the fluid flow to the pump is cut off, and the pump is forced into pressure relief. On the F-car, this means a pressure of between 1200 and 1600 PSI. The pump has to recirculate this high pressure fluid within itself because the fluid has nowhere to go. If left in pressure relief for very long, the fluid can quickly exceed 325 degF, and break down, causing the pump to begin experiencing metal-to-metal contact.

The second noise is caused by cavitation. As you increase pump speed, more and more fluid is forced through the ports per unit time. There comes a velocity where the fluid just doesn't want to move that fast, and the vanes inside the pump will cause a vacuum, which is instantly filled with oil vapor. When the vane reaches the high pressure port, this vacuum cell is opened into a high pressure cell, and oil rushes to fill the void. A little 'sonic boom' results. These individual 'booms' are virtually microscopic, but they add up. What they translate into is a sound that sounds suspiciously like a whine. Now every pump cavitates. It's in the nature of moving fluid. By smoothing the radius of the ports, and relocating supercharge holes (I'm not going into that), engineers can reduce cavitations or push the frequency spectrum of the whine to a less noticeable frequency. It is, in fact, where the bulk of pump engineering hours are spent.

Anyway, that funny high pitched whining that Mike Martin is hearing after his autocross run is the third type of noise. This type of whine is from the oil being aerated. When the pump is really screaming, the oil in the reservoir really gets churned up. This allows the occasional air bubble to pass into the pump, where it is totally pulverized into smaller bubbles. Eventually, the oil gets enough of these bubbles in it that you begin to hear it. If you want to really experience aeration, just run your pump low on oil!

None of these three types of noises will cause your pump to die. What kills a pump is heat and oil viscosity breakdown. The pressure relief example will overheat a pump in the extreme case causing galling of the bushing, or wear of the pump ring. The cavitations example, when extreme, like 7000-9000 RPM endurance runs, will cause micro fractures to the pump internals and literally blow little flakes of metal off the walls. The extreme aeration example will cause increased heat to the internals, because air does not carry the heat away like oil does. But the common denominator to these is the word EXTREME. Most PS pumps never see this kind of duty, unless the person runs their pump low on oil. But none of us does this, because we all check our PS fluid as often as we check our trans fluid, right?

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Do my rear disc brakes need to be adjusted?

A technical service bulletin described this for early-mid '80s rear disk brakes. It seems that the rear disks in these cars would be adjusted by applying the emergency brake. When you pull the emergency brake lever up, the lever turns this little device called an actuator screw. This little screw type device is also on a ratchet, so that pulling the e-brake up, turns the screw. But letting go allows the ratchet part to function and set the pads at that time. So, using the emergency brake is mandatory for maintaining the rear disk setting on early model rear disk units.

But, here's the problem with them. There's a little spring on the actuator screw assembly that allows the pads to back-off from the disk a little bit before the ratchet mechanism is engaged. This must be done, otherwise full brake pressure would be left on the pads when the e-brake is released. Well, that little return spring K-factor was not correctly chosen from the factory, and the result is that the ratchet NEVER functions after the actuator screw gets a little dirty. Hence, the pads simply work their way out all the way when the e-brake is used. Using the e-brake all the time seems to keep the actuator free for a longer period of time, but even with the correct spring weight and screw, the e-brake is required to adjust the parking brake actuator.

The TSB states that cars with a manual tranny are eligible for a free fix as the e-brake is required to park the car, but the auto is not eligible. Why? Only GM knows. However, fixing it yourself should be relatively easy. The rear wheels are removed, and there is a nut on the back side of the brake caliper that holds the parking brake lever. Remove the nut, lever, and soft grommets. Put a large washer over the shaft to act as a spacer, and then put a wrench on the hex of the shaft, and tie it down with the nut. Turn the wrench to back the brakes off. After a while, this will over travel, as if there was a one way clutch. Tighten the shaft to see where the hex is when the pads are tight against the rotor. If it is in a spot that the parking brake lever will fit, and turn about 1/3 of its travel to tighten apply the brake, then it is good. If not, try again.

This will remove some of the brake pedal slop also. It's supposed to be self-adjusting (apply parking brake thirty times), but it is common for it not to work. 

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